And though they’ve been apart since 2016, with Jada even moving out and buying her own home, the duo—who share kids Jaden Smith, 25, and Willow Smith, 22—have no plans to legally split.

“I made a promise that there will never be a reason for us to get a divorce,” the Red Table Talk host said in the interview with Hoda Kotb. “We will work through whatever, and I just haven’t been able to break that promise.”

As for what ultimately drove them apart? Well…

“That’s a lot of things,” the 52-year-old told Hoda. “I think by the time we got to 2016, we were just exhausted with trying. I think we were both stuck in our fantasy of what we thought the other person should be.”

To look back on what that fantasy once was, keep reading…

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